Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Dave Gaubatz, the first U.S. civilian (1811) Federal Agent deployed to Iraq in 2003. He is the owner of DG Counter-terrorism Publishing. He is currently conducting a 50 State Counter-terrorism Research Tour (CTRT). He is the co-author (with Paul Sperry) of the new book, Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld that’s Conspiring to Islamize America. He can be contacted at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it..

FP: David Gaubatz, welcome to Frontpage Interview. Congrats on your book, Muslim Mafia.

I would like to talk to you today about how CAIR and other Islamic organizations deceive the public.

But first, give us some updates on your work and what is going on.

Gaubatz: Thank you Jamie. I owe thanks to the WND staff at all levels, to Paul Sperry (co-author), and to all of the researchers who worked on this CAIR project.  Without them, the book would not exist.

On Dec. 1, 2009, I was asked to speak at the National Security Roundtable, hosted by Ronni Shalit, in NY.  The trip to NY was a pleasure and it was an honor to speak to such a well informed group of people.  The group consisted of people from many professions, including law enforcement, attorneys, bankers, and many more.  What I am beginning to see is that Americans are becoming more informed of national security issues and they are no longer simply sitting back and expecting our elected officials to insure our nation is secured.  Americans are beginning to insist that our nation be secured.

We have a very, very valuable commodity in our country, as does every country: our children.  It is apparent Americans are no longer going to rely on elected officials (many who wittingly and some unwittingly) who support the interests of Islamic based terrorist organizations more than they do our troops and our country.  The message to politicians who support terrorist groups either from being uninformed, naïve, incompetent, or intentionally (like Congressman Keith Ellison (MN) and Senator Larry Shaw (NC) is either do your job (protect our children from Islamic based terrorism) or leave office.  You are no longer wanted.

FP: What do you think, is the state of New York better protected than before Sept. 11, 2001?

Gaubatz: For a few months after the murder of thousands of people by Islamic terrorists, the people of NY came together. Unfortunately it did not take long before many forgot what happened in their city, what is happening to our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, and what has been happening (terrorist attacks) to the people of Israel for many years.  Many have again fallen into the trap of a false sense of security.  Anytime a city or state allows people to openly declare they are seeking the destruction of our country and are calling for violence against innocent Christians and Jews in their theological texts, no location is safe.

I am not an attorney, but as an American I do not believe our U.S. Constitution was designed for allowing treason, sedition, and calling for killing our citizens.  Our Constitution was designed to protect our country.

FP: How can our law enforcement effectively and timely protect our country from future attacks?

Gaubatz: We have a long educational process of our law enforcement and politicians ahead of us. This has to happen before we can truly realize any steps forward in protecting our country.  Few understand Sharia law (Islamic law) and they can’t rely on organizations such as CAIR, ISNA, MSA, and the host of other terror supporters to explain to them what Sharia law actually means in regards to the protection of our country.

FP: So tell us a bit about Sharia law.

Gaubatz: Sharia law covers every minute of every day of a person’s life in Islam.  Of course there are many peaceful aspects of Sharia, but as the 17 year old Rifqa Bary and many others have tried to inform people, Sharia law also has many violent aspects which can no longer be ignored.  Sharia law is an all or nothing. A Muslim can’t decide (and be in conformance with Islamic law) that they want to abide by some aspects and ignore other aspects such as death for apostasy or calling for hatred and violence against Christians and Jews.

Islamic scholars and many Imams will be the first to tell you (and they do so in their materials/lectures) that even if one does not have the ability to perform an aspect of Sharia; they must at least have it in their heart and a desire to comply with mandatory Sharia obligations. Of course there are millions of Muslims who do not want violence or hatred, but according to such Islamic leaders as Imam Siraj Wahhaj, Zaid Shakir, Ahmad Sakr, and many more operating in the U.S., these Muslims are ‘non-practicing’ Muslims.  CAIR and ISNA executives endorse these scholars as well.  Many people do not realize that numerous Islamic centers and mosques in America will not allow CAIR to advocate its ideology at their centers.

People should begin to understand that CAIR has approximately 5100 members out of 1.5 to 8 million Muslims in America.  CAIR is strong because it utilizes its manpower of foreign funding wisely.  CAIR does not truly help the Muslim people who actually need its assistance, CAIR represents the Muslim Brotherhood and therefore utilize their resources to intimidate, threaten, extort, and blackmail U.S. corporations and people to conform to their ideology. CAIR further spends hundreds of thousands operating a media PR machine to influence our law enforcement and politicians.

FP: Ok, let’s focus in on some specifics of how the Muslim Brotherhood (CAIR, ISNA, MANA, etc,) intentionally deceives law enforcement and public officials.

Gaubatz: Two quick examples. Both pertain to prayers. One was the ‘Flying Imam case’ in which several Imams began praying loudly at an airport and then caused disruptions on a plane.  This was merely a ‘hoax’ in order for the Imams to instill fear into the public, and by later suing the airlines and threatening the innocent people who reported their suspicious activities. This tactic by Islamic leaders and CAIR (Muslim Brotherhood) in regards to terrorism is called a ‘conditioning process’. One is simply ‘softening’ their enemy to conform to later demands.

CAIR officials know that within Islam there is no requirement for a loud prayer which causes disturbances when in the ‘mode’ of traveling.  Performing prayers while traveling is mentioned numerous times in Islamic articles, manuals, and essentially means when a Muslim is in the mode of traveling they can shorten their prayers, conduct them in silence, and/or perform them later (more convenient time). www.IslamOnline.com , Fiqh Us Sunnah, Tafsir Ibn Kathir, and numerous other references are available to provide more clarification.

FP: Do you believe the ‘Flying Imam Suit’ crossed any boundaries into criminal activity?

Gaubatz: Of course. These Imams were well trained. They all knew they had no obligation to pray in the airport or on the aircraft. They were in the mode of travel.  The imams and CAIR should be prosecuted for their actions. This is another form of setting up and again conditioning not only the public, but aircrew personnel, and even law enforcement to ignore such obvious disruptions in the future. Again CAIR, the Imams, and anyone who provided support during this conspiracy to disrupt airline travel (safety) should be prosecuted.

FP: Give us some more examples of “conditioning” tactics used by CAIR and other Islamic leaders to deceive the public.

Gaubatz: Well, there’s the current CAIR hoax being played in Maine pertaining to a young girl in school who CAIR and others say must be given a separate room to pray.

First, there are no obligations for a female or male child to perform anything other than a silent prayer while away from their home or mosque.  There are numerous clear discussions by Islamic scholars on this issue and from ones endorsed by CAIR and the ISNA.

CAIR knows that there is no expectation of an employer or public school administrator to set aside space or time for prayer.  The prayers, if conducted, can be combined with an earlier or later prayer after school/work, or if they are considered to be in travel mode they are authorized to shorten the prayer or not conduct one at all.  CAIR has intimidated many employers to allow time for worshippers during Friday’s Jummah prayer, but there are no requirements on children to even attend the mosque (specifically females).

FP: Could you provide us with some evidence of how CAIR officials are intentionally deceiving school administrators and even law enforcement in these areas?

Gaubatz: Yes. CAIR’s Muslim Brotherhood mouthpiece Ibrahim Hooper explained this to our researchers on more than one occasion during the research project.  Hooper himself often used the ‘traveling’ rule to ignore conducting prayers when he was with my researchers.  Islamic terrorists and their supporters do not recognize weakness. Now is a prime opportunity for law enforcement and prosecutors to charge the Imams, CAIR, and others who have conspired to disrupt air travel (federal) and the safety of innocent people.  In addition, school administrators should refuse to comply with CAIR in regards to prayers (other than silent) at public schools, and in no case authorize separate praying rooms.  The old saying ‘give an inch and they will take a mile’ is applicable here.  We have to deny terrorists more opportunities to later attack innocent people.  We need to stop their actions now or we will suffer later.

During my research of many Islamic Centers, the Imams and others would often refer me to one of their 3500 plus websites (many designed and ran by a respected Islamic Scholar Yusef Estes and his assistants). IslamOnline.com is one such site he and other Islamic readers refer Muslims to for guidance on Islamic rulings.  A Muslim student asked a question about prayer at school and this is what the scholar and ISNA advised: One will notice only adult males are required to even attend Jummah prayer:

“Dear questioner, thank you very much for having confidence in us, and we hope our efforts, which are purely for Allah’s Sake, meet your expectations.

Friday prayer is mandatory on every Muslim male who is adult, healthy and free. Every Muslim should strive hard to perform it on time unless something beyond his capacity disrupts that. Muslim students in the West can modulate their schedule in order to be able to perform Friday prayer in its appointed time. They can gather together, even in the campus and perform the Friday prayer, which demonstrate unity and co-operation.”

In his response to the question, Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi, former president of the Islamic Society of North America, states the following:

“Friday prayer is obligatory on every Muslim man who is adult, healthy and free. It should not be missed unless there is a real excuse. Allah Almighty says in the Qur’an: “O you who believe when the call for Friday prayer is given then hurry to the remembrance of Allah and leave all business. This is better for you, if you know. (Al-Jumu’ah: 9)

The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, is reported to have said, ‘Those who neglect three Friday prayers without any excuse may have their hearts sealed with hypocrisy.’”

The time for Friday prayer is the same as the time for Dhur prayer, that is from noon until the mid-afternoon (i.e. the time for ‘Asr prayer).

According to Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal, Friday prayer can also be prayed before noon. The minimum of worshippers required to hold Friday prayer is only three. So if there are three Muslims at some place and they find it difficult to join a larger Jama’ah for Friday they can have their own prayer. I have mentioned these points to emphasize the importance of Friday prayer and the flexibility in performing it.

Muslim students in high schools, colleges and universities can organize their own prayers according to the convenience of their class schedule. Also, if your school does not have three or more Muslim students to hold your own Friday prayer at your school, then try to change your class schedule from the beginning of the school year. I have seen some students take early classes in one period in order to be able to attend Friday prayer at the Masjid. Make an effort to perform this prayer. There is a great reward and blessings from Allah in this prayer, you will feel the blessings throughout your week.

If for some reasons you are unable to perform Friday prayer, then pray Dhur instead. But this should not be done on a regular basis. It is an option for necessity only. May Allah bless you and help you to remember Him and make your prayers on time.”

FP: David Gaubatz, thank you for taking the time out to speak with us.

Gaubatz: Thanks Jamie.